The Fall Meeting of the Montana Cross Country T Association:
The meeting was called to order on October 8th 2006 in Haugen, MT at 11:00am by President Rick Carnegie. There was a motion to approve the minutes as printed in the Montana 500 Newsletter. It was seconded and passed.
There was a call for nominations of the President. Mike Robison and Mark Hutchinson. were nominated. There was a motion to close the nominations. It was seconded and passed. The votes were tallied and Mark Hutchinson is the new president.
The meeting was turned over to Mark Hutchinson.
Mike Robison was nominated as Vice President. There was a motion to cast a unanimous ballot cast for Mike Robison as Vice President. It was seconded and passed.
Janet C. asked to remain treasurer. There was a motion to cast a unanimous ballot forJanet Cerovski as treasurer. It was seconded and passed.
Jillian C. was nominated as secretary. There was a motion to cast a unanimous ballot for Jillian C. as secretary. It was seconded and passed.
Directors were nominated and voted on. The Club needs to replace Doug Langel and Gary Ebbert as directors. Doug Langel was nominated to maintain his position as a director. It was seconded and passed. Doug Langel is now a director.
Dave Robison was nominated. There was a motion to cast a unanimous ballot for Dave Robison as director. It was seconded and passed.
The list of Directors includes:
Rick Carnegie 2007
Tom Carnegie 2008
Janet Cerovski 2009
Tony Cerovski 2007
Nan Robison 2008
Mark Hutchinson 2009
Dave Robison 2007
Doug Langel 2008
Mike Robison 2009
Old Business: Ed Marshall requested that we extend his allowance for his emergency brake handle to be on the outside of his body for next year’s race. It was seconded and passed.
We had tabled the valve seat port size discussion until this year, so we started the discussion again. Rick Carnegie moved that we go with the size of the blueprints for the gauge. There was no second.
Tom Carnegie thinks that we should give .010 from the blueprint. Rick Carnegie thinks we should have a go gauge as the blueprint and a no go gauge as .010 from the blueprint. The gauge will be flat on the sides to accommodate oval holes. There was more general discussion on the matter. Ed Marshall asked why we need this gauge because we have a carb gauge, a port gauge, and a value gauge.
Tom Carnegie would hate to disqualify someone because of a few thousands; he wants to error on the sides of the angels. There was a motion to table the discussion on the valve seat gauge. It was seconded and passed.
Tom Carnegie made a motion to nominate Rick Carnegie. to be in charge of the gauge for the next year. A gauge will be made to see how is goes this year, but it will not be a rule yet. The gauge will have flat sides.
New Business: Mike Robison. wants to have an addition to a rule change. On the carb specs, it says nothing about the choke or throttle shaft. There was discussion. There was a motion to clarify a rule: to state that choke and throttle shaft size must be uniform stock dimensions with an allowance for shaft wear. There will be a visual check done at the race. Some wear is acceptable, but no obvious changes are allowed. The motion was seconded and passed.
Tom Carnegie made a motion that a line be added to the checklist that is signed at inspection that states the inspection at the beginning of the race is a courtesy inspection. It was seconded and passed.
Frank Fenton wants the club to become a chapter of the Model T Ford Club International. It won’t cost the club anything. Directors do not need to be members. The insurance is the same for the clubs, so we won’t double up. It will get more exposure for the club. We are going to table the discussion for a while, so everyone can read through the materials presented.
Ed M. says that he is uncomfortable with the fact that if you finish, you may end after someone who didn’t finish. A DNF person may have higher ranking than someone who finished the whole race. There was a motion to show, when the list is in public view, the order of finishers first, then all those who were trailered be placed below. The number of finish would stay the same, just the list order would differ. There was a second and the motion failed.
There was a motion to change the order of the flag out at the race. The motion is to have the cars go out on the first day lot ascending, lot desc ending on the second day, and by a drawing on the third day. There was no second. The motion was withdrawn.
There was a motion to flag out in 15 or 30 second intervals . There was no second. The motion was withdrawn.
Ed Marshall. made a point of discussion. In the route, he would like cones where you turn. It is hard to do and you have to check with the state before you can do it.
It was discussed that we would give out times the next day as opposed to the night when we come in.
We returned to the discussion of the MTFCI Chapter. It was noted that the club only needs five members to be members of the MTFCI to be a chapter. Tom Carnegie made a motion that if that is all that it takes to be a chapter, we will join the MTFCI. It was seconded and passed. Five members agreed to become member of the MTFCI: Tom Carnegie, Nan Robison, Mike Robison, Jillian Caples, and Mark Hutchinson.
Route: Places mentioned were: Havre, Thompson Falls, Fort Benton, and Miles City. We flipped a coin between Havre and Thompson Falls and Havre is where the race will be held in 2007. There was a motion to have the Montana 500 in 2007 out of Havre from June 17th through the 21st. It was seconded and passed.
Old Business: (cont) Tom Carnegie asked what happened to the committee to get Don Engleman to transfer his videos to dvd. The club will pay for them. Rick Carnegie. said he has done nothing, but will.
There was a treasurer’s report passed around. Doug Langel will find a host hotel and a tear down place for us in Havre.
Nan Robison said she will take the newsletter for one year and do four issues. She needs a membership list from Janet Cerovski and wants Tom Carnegie to help her get started. The minutes will be put in the newsletter.
An email list was sent around. If anyone wants to be on the email list, but was not at the meeting, please send an email of your preferred address to modeltbabe@yahoo.com
October 14th, 2007 will be the date of the next meeting. It will be at 11:00am at a place that the President picks. There was a motion to adjourn the meeting at 12:46pm. It was seconded and passed.
Annual Fall Meeting of the MCCTA
November 13th, 2005
The meeting was called to order at 11:15am by President Rick Carnegie. The minutes from the 2004 meeting were handed out and read by all.
There was a motion to approve minutes as written. It was seconded and passed pending a few spelling errors be changed. Janet Cerovski handed out the Treasurer’s Report. The balance as of November 13, 2005 is $3,819.14.
President Rick Carnegie, stated we needed a new Vice President because Scott Stubbert moved away and a new director to fill George Nickol’s place because he didn’t pay his MTFCA dues.
Nominations for Vice President were Mike Robison (who declined), Gary Ebbert, and Mark Hutchinson. There was a motion to close the nominations which was seconded. A vote by ballot revealed Mark Hutchinson as the new Vice President.
A director to fill George Nickol’s position would take over his time and not receive a full term. Nominations were opened for this position. Mike Robison was nominated and seconded. There was a motion to close nominations and cast a unanimous ballot for Mike Robison. It was seconded and passed.
There were three director positions that were now vacated and need to be filled. For Tom Carnegie’s Director position, Tom Carnegie was nominated and seconded. There was a motion to close nominations and cast a unanimous ballot for Tom Carnegie. It was seconded and passed.
For Mark Hutchinson’s Director position, Nan Robison was nominated and seconded. There was a motion to close nominations and cast a unanimous ballot for Nan Robison. It was seconded and passed.
For Tony Cerovski’s Director position, Tony Cerovski was nominated and seconded. Jillian Caples was also nominated and seconded. There was a motion to close nominations. It was seconded and passed. A vote by ballot revealed that Tony Cerovski will assume the Director position.
Nominations for Meeting Secretary were opened. Jillian Caples was nominated and seconded. There was a motion to close nominations and cast a unanimous ballot for Jillian Caples. It was seconded and passed.
A list of the Current Directors is as follows:
President-Director Rick Carnegie 2005-2006 2007
Vice President-Director Mark Hutchinson 2005-2006 2007
Treasurer-Director Janet Cerovski 2005-2006 2007
Director Mike Robison 2006
Director Doug Langel 2006
Director Gary Ebbert 2006
Director Tom Carnegie 2008
Director Nan Robison 2008
Director Tony Cerovski 2008
Three ideas were presented for the 2006 Route. Tom Carnegie presented a route out of Thompson Falls. Day one would be toward Missoula, day two would travel toward Eureka, and day three would be an up and back to Thompson Pass. Gary Ebbert suggested Great Falls, but had no route planned yet.
Tony Cerovski presented a route out of Dillon. Day one is to go west toward Idaho, day two is to head towards Butte and Boulder, and day three is toward Menida. The optional tour day would be to Bannack, a ghost town. There was a call to vote and Dillon was passed as the place for next year’s Endurance Run.
New Business: There was a motion to hold the fall meeting the second Sunday in October at 11:00am, place to be decided by the president, every year. It was seconded and passed.
There was a proposal to allow Ed Marshall to move the placement of the brake/clutch control arm to the outside of the body. This is to create clearance for his leg brace. There was a motion to allow placement of the brake/clutch control arm to the outside of the body of the car. It was seconded. There was a motion to amend the motion and a second. The new motion now makes this a one-time exception as a vote by the board of directors that will need to be approved each year. The amendment was passed.
There was a motion to set the date of the 2006 Montana 500 Endurance Run to June 18th (inspection day) through the 21st , and having a tour day on the 22nd. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to not allow performance enhancing fuel additives. Car must use straight automotive pump gas as a fuel during the race time, starting with the inspection and continuing until the end of the race. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to change rule #63 to: Disabled cars will receive slow time for each leg not completed plus a daily penalty of one hour. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to add a new rule after rule #32, Rule #33: Modifications of venturi and throat of carburetors allowed as long as the Associations .710 gauge does not pass. Carburetor must be complete including all butterflies, adjusting needle, and stock spray nozzle. Butterflies must be original size. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to amend rule #23 to not include a size . . . oiling system, one outside oil line allowed. Transmission oil screen allowed. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to add, “no modifications of the inside oil system.” It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to add, “Chassis parts may be assembled from any year T parts.” It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to add, “Tops of open cars, use of muffler, and fans are optional. It was seconded and passed.
There was a proposal brought forth to create a gauge to measure the port under the valve. It was discussed. -There was a short bathroom break. -There was a motion to have a gauge to measure the port under the valve. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to implement the rule just made above for the 2007 race and the size will be decided at the next general meeting. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to allow no grinding or performance enhancing alterations of the intake and exhaust ports. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to change “or” to “and/or” in rule #11. It was seconded and passed.
There was a motion to have the president select a committee to look into converting the old 16mm footage of the Montana 500 to DVD and present it to the directors and get it done. It was seconded and passed.
Tom spoke about the Lewistown Race and how fun it was. The newsletter will feature a “where are they now?” section about old race cars and where they are.
Meeting was adjourned at 1:30pm.
The Following Members Attended: Rick Carnegie, Tom & Susie Carnegie, Nan & Dave Robison, Mike Robison, Doug Langel, Tony & Janet Cerovski, Lee Burgess, Ed Marshall, Gene Kicha, Mark Hutchinson, Kathleen & Gary Ebbert, Jillian Caples.
