Jul - Aug 2004

Montana 500 Newsletter

Volume 4 No. 4

Montana Cross Country T Assn. 

7516 E. Mission Spokane, WA 99212




2004 Officers and Directors:

President: Tom Carnegie

Vice President: Scott Stubbert

Sec.-Treasurer: Janet Cerovski

Directors: Tom Carnegie 2005

Janet Cerovski 2005

Tony Cerovski 2004

Gary Ebbert 2006

Rob Flesner 2004

Mark Hutchinson 2004

Doug Langel 2006

George Nickol 2006

Scott Stubbert 2005

Meeting Secretary: Marjean Stubbert Correspondence and newsletter: Tom Carnegie


Membership dues $10.00 
Touring class: $25.00 
Endurance runner: $35.00 
Cover photo: Gary Ebbert gassing up.  Picture taken in 
2003 at Ennis


Presidentís Propaganda

I am still behind. I will try to get one more newsletter out right before the fall meeting with information on what we may be talking about at the meeting. The fall meeting will be at the Lincoln $10,000 bar, near St. Regis Montana on November 14th, 2004. The meeting will start at 10:00 a.m. MST. They have an area roped off for us and will provide a buffet. It is not a separate room, but they say it will be fairly quiet and OK to conduct a meeting. The cost of the buffet will be $7.95 per person. They are sending me more information which I will print in the next newsletter if it is important. You can call me at 1-509-535-7789 during the day or 1-509-922-1805 if you have questions. Someone mentioned that they donít have the most current copy of the rules. The rules are on the website. I have printed them in this issue, but they may change so please check back to the website after the Fall meeting. No one stepped up and offered a write-up on the just finished run, so I will. Thank-you to the folks who have kind words for my stories. No story this time, but Iíll try for the next newsletter.

Thanx, Tom Carnegie - President MCCTA

Free Wheeling Tow-hubs

This is a follow up on last newsletterís article. Some folks have wondered about the tow bar. Again I have draw some really lousy pictures. I hope that they get the point across. The towbar is bolted to the front axle I beam between the two spring perches. If the angle to the trailer hitch is close, no hinge is needed although it might be a good idea to use one.

Montana 500 2004

The 2004 Montana 500 was held in Eureka, Montana. The weather was perfect if not a little hot. Mike Cuffe laid out an interesting and challenging route. Day one took the 17 Tís plus several touring class cars from Eureka towards Whitefish. The town of Eureka gave us a wonderful send off complete with a cannon shot and live coverage sent out to the world via the internet. We bypassed Whitefish and Kalispell on the Twin Bridges, then Farm-to-market road. Despite our best efforts, some folks missed this turn. Next we zoomed over to Happyís Inn. There was road construction ahead, so we toured not under time to Libby. From Libby we drove north back to Eureka. Rob Flesner had a bit of trouble and his T took a ride on the trouble trailer. Dave Thompson had a little trouble and other than wrong turns, nobody else had any significant trouble. At the end of the day Nan Robison was in first followed by Mike Robison, Tom Carnegie, Rick Carnegie, Garrett Green, Tony Cerovski and Gary Ebbert. All of these Tís were within 10 minutes of the leader at this point.

The next day we headed south toward Libby. We then headed up to the cute little town of Yaak. Along the way Dave Warhank had some wheel trouble but was able to continue. From Yaak we then went to the Idaho border where we wheeled around and headed back to Troy. For me this was one of the most fun legs of the run. It was great to see the other Tís either coming or going as the route doubled back onto itself. It was very hot this day. The temperature sign in Troy said 101F. We headed back to Eureka on the backside of Lake Koocanusa. This was a winding two-lane road. Some of the drivers just loved the road and some of them hated it. I was in the former camp even though I drove it like a little old lady. It was on this leg that we had our only major breakdown. Doug Langel lost his timing gear and was out of the run. At the end of the day the first five were the same cars except now Mike was in first and Nan was in second.

The third day we were going to go to Whitefish and back, but somehow we lost our connection with the chip-seal gods. Some Tís got stopped by construction and some didnít. We threw out this leg. When we got to Whitefish we decided to call it a race as everyone was running well and no places would have changed. The dayís total miles were scrubbed and the run officially ended with 435 miles. This will go down as one of the shortest Montana 500ís on record, yet if you include the miles from Happyís Inn to Libby and the miles to Whitefish and back, it was well over 500 miles.

From Whitefish we toured back to Eureka. The kind folks at the Big Sky Exxon provided us with an ideal place to hold our post-run teardown. The top three cars were declared OK and we headed up to the Lundeenís museum for the picnic and awards. Mike Robison got the big trophy from Doug Langel who won last year. Nan Robison who came in second, won the womenís trophy. She also won it last year. Nanís second place overall finish is the best ever for a woman.

The next day we had a great time boating around on Lake Koocanusa.

I would like to thank Mike and Jo An Cuffe for hosting the run this year. Also thanks to all the good people of Eureka. Thanks too to the Lundeenís, the trouble trailer drivers, the timers the flaggers the kind folks who gave us the boat rides and all of the other people who made this one of the best and most fun Montana 500ís ever.

submitted by Tom Carnegie


Note: All cars that tour along must meet the rules flagged with a *.

Note: Newly adopted or changed rules in italics. 1. * Directors are responsible for interpretation of all the rules pertaining to the Association. Decision of the Directors is final.
2. * All cars must comply with Montana license and insurance requirements.
3. * No alcoholic beverages will be allowed in competing cars. Substantiated violation is cause for disqualification.
4. * Drivers performing in an unsafe or unsportsman-like manner will receive 1 warning. Second infraction may result in disqualification upon review and affirmative vote of 2/3 of the remaining drivers.
5. Not more than two people are allowed per endurance car while under time.
6. * All drivers and relief drivers must be a paid-up member of the MCCTA.
7. * No tailgating of support or tour vehicles or any non-participating vehicles..
8. *All participating cars must have attached or placed directly on both sides a sign with name of sponsor or owner and hometown. Use three (3) inch letters preferred.


9. * All "T"s will be available for subsequent inspections at any time.
10. * All drivers and relief drivers must sign an Endurance Run waiver and Inspection Form
11. All T's must be assembled from stock parts or reproduction parts equal to stock specifications. Cars must have four fenders, splash aprons, runningboards, front splash apron, dash, and radiator shell and all replacement body parts must be made of metal, with the following exceptions:
12. * All competing cars must be equipped with two headlights and one rear stop/tail light in working order.
13. * Horn of any type in working order required.
14. * Rear view mirror of any type required.
15. * Emergency brakes must be in good working order.
16. Windshields must be stock for year of car. No altering. Must have safety sheet of safety plate glass top and bottom. Windshields to be completely closed and sealed.
17. * All transmission bands must be in good working order.
18. * Complete set of floorboards required.
19. Body parts must be stock for year of car.
20. * Padded seat and back rest of any type required.
21. Original turtle deck may be replaced by some type of substantially built box or turtle deck. Minimal length and width equal to size for stock turtle deck on that year of car, with floor, sideboards and end-gate. Sides and end no less than six (6) inches high from the floor and made of no smaller than 3/4 inch wood.
22. Rebuilt radiators allowed. Must be built to stock dimensions including
tanks and side brackets.
23. Gas tank must be stock for that year of car and mounted in stock
position. Gas strainers allowed. Fuel line not to exceed 3/8" I.D.
24. * At least 36 inches of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe required, properly
attached to and extending from the exhaust manifold.
25. Only stock cast iron or aluminum intake manifolds with ports not to
exceed 1 1/8" diameter are allowed. New manufactured manifolds
with ports not to exceed 1 1/8" are allowed.
26. Oiling system options: One outside oil line not to exceed one-half inch
(1/2") outside diameter. Transmission oil screen allowed.
27. Only stock Ford roller type, New Day, Anderson flapper type timers or
Crystal timers allowed. Ball or needle bearing rollers optional. Quick
couplers NOT ALLOWED in timer wires.
28. Rear ends must have 11 tooth pinion and 40 tooth ring gear. Ruckstell
locked in high.
29. * Body must be painted, color optional.
30. Hoods are not required.
31. Holes must be drilled through the heads of the following bolts for
braided seal wire: Left hand front head bolt, Right hand middle head
bolt, Middle two small pan bolts, and a hole must be drilled through
the threaded end of both bolts that fastens the carburetor to the intake
32. Only NH swayback and/or Ford "F" swayback carburetors allowed.
Must be complete including choke butterfly. The Association's 0.710 inch gauge MUST NOT go through the carburetor.
33. A restrictor plate with two gaskets provided by the Association, will be placed between the intake manifold and carburetor, supervised by the inspectors on the day of the inspection. Plate will be a thickness of 1/8 inch metal with an 11/16 inch diameter hole. Restrictor plates will not be used on engines with cast iron pistons.
(Also see all other rules)


34. The top 3 cars will be torn down immediately following the last flag. Additional teardowns will be put to a vote of the Endurance drivers. Endurance drivers will vote to accept or reject items of question.
35. The first, second and third place cars will be torn down by a panel of five inspectors appointed by the Board of Directors. None of the inspectors may be a driver of the car to be inspected. If a car is disqualified, the next place lower will be inspected, until three have been found qualified. An inspector who is the driver of the car coming up for inspection due to disqualification of another car will be replaced by the directors with another inspector. All inspectors must vote.
(Also see all other rules.)


36. Zerk fittings in place of oil and grease cups are optional.
37. Only Model "T" wire, wooden spoke or disk wheels allowed. May use Model "A" 21 inch wire wheel or 30 by 3 1/2" wire wheels.
38. Only stock Model "T" or Ruckstell rear-ends and axles with:

            -standard eleven tooth pinion
            -forty tooth ring gear
            -stock roller bearings

Options: Bronze or roller thrust washers. Neoprene seals.


39. Bolts on wishbone at rear of pan must be safety wired. Front wishbone accessory braces on pre-1920 cars allowed. Use standard wishbone sizes.
40. Shock absorbers are optional.
41. Use stock configuration spring sets with a minimum of seven leaves per spring set.


(Also see Inspection Rules.)



42. Use a group 1 six volt wet cell battery for magneto system back up, lighting lamps, running horn and starter. Six 1.5-volt dry cell batteries may be used in lieu of the above 6-volt battery. (Also see Inspection Rules.)



43. Cylinder bore not to exceed 3.825" maximum or 3.750" minimum
44. Cast iron or aluminum pistons of stock Model "T" type required. Cast iron pistons must have a full set of .250" width rings in place. Aluminum pistons must have two (2) .125" width compression rings and one (1) 0.1875" width oil ring in place. Knurling of piston optional. Refer to Illustration for Piston Dimensions
45. There must be one stock piston, rod and cap assembly in the engine. Exceptions: Cap may be drilled for dipper, and grooved for oil. Choice of rod bolts and nuts optional. The other three (3) assemblies can be balanced to this one.
46. Rods must be Model "T" Ford script. Maximum center to center distance of 7.030" measured from center of rod journal to center of wrist-pin.
47. Only Ford script high heads allowed with the following exceptions: No limit to amount of milling of mating surfaces; Removal of metal in combustion chamber may be done to allow clearance for shoulder of piston and head of valves. Refer to Illustration for Head
48. The crankshaft must be Model "T" Ford Script with a stock stroke of four (4) inches. Chroming, hardening or grinding of journals allowed, not to exceed 1.250" maximum or 1.208" minimum diameter.
49. Counter-balanced crankshaft not allowed.
50. Valves: Stainless steel and swirl polished valves are optional. For all valves use a minimum stem diameter of 5/16", a maximum head diameter of 1.500" and seating face of 45 degrees. Use either pins or two piece keepers. Hardened valve seats are optional. Radiused, 45 degree or three angle seat grinds allowable.
51. Use of offset key between crankshaft timing keyway and the crankshaft timing gear keyway is optional. Camshaft timing gear material optional. Camshaft gear may be drilled to realign camshaft pins for valve-setting purposes only.
52. Any cam that doesn't require modification of the block may be used. Bearing bores must be standard size, no relieving of the bearing bores. Camshaft bearings and seal optional.
53. Type of fourth main is optional.
54. Type of band material optional.
55. Gauges are optional.
56. Design and use of water pump optional.
57. "V" type belt and pulleys optional.
58. Adjustable flat tappet lifters (push rods) of stock dimensions, stem oversize to 1/32" allowed.
59. Balancing of rotating parts is optional.



(See Inspection Rules.)


60. * Each car will come to a complete stop before starting at the timers direction.
61. Timing will begin as designated for each car whether or not the car is on the starting line. Starting times can be adjusted at the timer's discretion. If the timers recognize a beneficial savings in time, a lagging car may be sent out ahead of its designated time. Usually this will be discussed with the Directors ahead of time. Time will start for this car when it leaves the starting line.



62. Removal of head or pan while at stop (not under time) or on tour day will impose a time penalty of 1 hour. Report this infraction to the inspectors immediately. Removal of head or pan under time must be reported to the inspectors at the first opportunity for replacement of seal.
63. Changing the carburetor imposes a time penalty of 15 minutes. Report the infraction to an inspector immediately. Replacement carburetor must meet the requirements stated in the Inspection Rules.
64. Disabled cars may be trailered in and will receive the following penalty on a timed day: Slow time for the day plus a one hour time penalty. In addition, cars trailered in on the last day are not eligible for prize money or trophies.
65. Replacement of complete engine is cause for